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MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes, at a certain period. I don't, in fact up here in the summer we've sort of called tennis off. MS. ROSE: Did you know any early American painters at that point? And we paid $14 a month, it was cold water. Watch on Elizabeth Smiths lecture on Helen Frankenthaler Please join us for four more The Art of Relationships lectures this summer. MS. ROSE: The difference is between applied and drawn color. And I would write it verbatim today. And he's now seventy or so, probably. If you would like to reproduce text from a MoMA publication, please email [emailprotected]. And still had, by this time Sonya had left the studio. MS. ROSE: Had you met him? What did he emphasize? MS. ROSE: Did you used to go to The Club? And she took me in and I skipped my junior year in high school. Did you study with him that summer? MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't know, sometimes I think it came out of something very saving in me. I said I can't and they said well come when you get back on the train and we'll pick you up at the station, you know. His only pleasures were a box at the opera, dinners at Denny Moore's. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes, but without any connection. I mean there are many other strains of Pollock's aesthetic that are more important than the one I'm about to talk about. Didn't paint. The first winter was Wallace Harrison. And it was good. Helen Frankenthaler: Paintings 1969-1974 : Corcoran Gallery of Art : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive. It puzzled me. Two things: What is the first painting you painted on the floor? Like make a painting that was more [inaudible] then--. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, whenever I went there. Anyway, the night Reginald Pollack went back to Europe, Bob, out of sheer ennui and restlessness and wanting to take somebody out to dinner, and he was not dating or involved, he had been involved with somebody who had been away for a publisher that fall [inaudible], called, and I used to hang up the phone on people. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Just the Wallace Harrison work period, and that was only through him, and I mean Jim and Charlotte. Because if something is upright, and liquid, it drips. I think he was very intelligent, very nice and since relating to people was impossible that he really did come to grips with relating with freedoms in the aesthetics and that's where he lived, making pictures. But did Friedl and I have the studio in 1952-1953? And I was not --. It was during the GI Bill and I was one of two women in a class of scroungy guys who were just going to school to use up the bill. Would have gone out of his way almost [inaudible]. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I knew [Marsden] Hartley, [John] Marin. Physical Details: 1 photographic print : b&w ; 12 x 18 cm. I think that's a most fascinating and relevant and irrelevant subject. She was included in the 1964 Post-Painterly Abstraction exhibition curated by Clement Greenberg that introduced a newer generation of abstract painting that came to be known as color field. But I mean I was already in the Bennington swing of myth, ritual, criticism. All of the people from Bennington came. Do you know? And then I had a game with beads, different colored beads, each bead the same size, glass beads but brilliant colors, had a pocket, a cup for it on a board so that you could make any design, star shape, circle, or whatever. [Inaudible.] I mean it was sort of like you were born with a bang and you were special [inaudible]. I mean, and as adults talked about it. And the sun was going down and the score was something like 23 to 22, 24 to 23. Without the sizing and priming? And the phone rang and I went back and he said, this is [inaudible], how would you like to have dinner. I might have seen a piece in MS. ROSE: Good god, that was '36. The Corcoran show opens with one or two paintings like Commune (1969), yin which a single irregular form is lofted high on the canvas, all but touching its upper edge. And I had in that show that picture called Woman on a Horsewhich I had painted in the studio I'd shared with Sonya Rudikoff. Born in 1928 in New York City, she passed away in 2011 at the age of 83. The food was terrible. MS. ROSE: Either. 1957. And cover up either half of it or a millimeter of it and wonder if without it what was effective in it. I don't think Clem really liked Jackson. I happened to pick colors fortunately that fit into the push and pull because I drew them that way. I was very willful. She was a major contributor to the history of postwar American MS. ROSE: But you're such a great swimmer. And have very little sense of early American heritage. I think they asked me for drinks. And that, also with shapes and stripes, is a beautiful picture." At this time, MoMA produced video cannot be licensed by MoMA/Scala. But the rest of the painters I was involved with --. MS. ROSE: Yes. He is also the author of several books, including Soulmaker: The Times of Lewis Hine (2016) and Summoning Pearl Harbor (2017). I forget his name. I don't think it would serve that purpose anymore. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, by this time I had had Rorschach, and I don't connect my painting with Rorschach at all. MS. ROSE: Well, let me put it this way: Was Clem's relationship with Pollock, like his relationship with Ken, where it's a very erotic relationship? Summary: An interview of Helen Frankenthaler conducted 1968, by Barbara Rose, for the Archives of American Art. And Bob was there, recently separated. It had been years and years and years. I didn't start there until the following March instead of entering in September. And my parents couldn't get over it. MS. ROSE: So what were your qualities that you liked or that you learned to like or were important? Her father, Alfred Frankenthaler, was a New York Supreme Court justice. And I failed more and more and more. MS. FRANKENTHALER: It was very dependent. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't remember. Terribly upsetting. MS. ROSE: No? I'm concerned with development and growth. So that outside of a mentor like Jackson or people dead in the past --. I'd had all the teaching I wanted because I really was a student at Bennington and I really milked learning and that experience for a lifetime. Then that summer he had accepted a teaching job at Black Mountain [College, Black Mountain, North Carolina] and suggested that I study with [Hans] Hofmann here in Provincetown [Cape Cod, Massachusetts]. So I had the place to myself. WebArchives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution. Anyway, it was after that that John Meyers came to my studio to look at pictures and he decided, he'd opened the gallery in, let's say, October and it opened with Marie Menken Mans with the life mounds and all that. Paul was very happy about the whole show, all his students. Helen Frankenthaler (December 12, 1928 December 27, 2011) was an American abstract expressionist painter. I'm trying to pick up where we left off. And it was so new, and so appealing, and so puzzling, and powerful, and real, and beautiful, and bewildering. The full face profile in every muscle. The [Peter Paul] Rubens, most of the [inaudible]. And Clem has such a good eye that very often his astonishment, I mean here was, look at what he was living with but I was knocking out paintings that were pretty terrific. Then the last winter I studied with Wallace Harrison on 14th Street. Helen Frankenthaler in the Early 1950s: Pollock Krasner Foundation. But it was then that I developed migraine and had them all the time, the kind that just flatten you for two days. And I say this also knowing after my own analysis all it wasn't marvelous, but essentially the memory and the feeling of the memory you can't fool yourself on. What I decided, it was too much rent and too much space. Forgot it. Where, you know, you made that and it's great, he says. MS. FRANKENTHALER: It was new. MS. ROSE: [Inaudible.]. But he --. And I said yes I'd do it. You know, in a way very vulgar and in another way had great taste. And it was in a gallery. [with reference to Bennington College, Bennington, Vermont] It was in 1957, the end of 1957, it was painting [inaudible]. MS. ROSE: That early you were doing this? But I think for a while to concentrate and relax with realism then at some point it freed me to let my wrist and heart and eye go to do something enormous and abstract. A few of the dozen women featured in the Denver Art Museums Women of Abstract Expressionism exhibition are names we may be slightly familiar with: Helen Frankenthaler (19282011), Lee Krasner (19081984), and Joan Mitchell (19251992). And that game ended because I, I was very young then, I finished the design one day and then put the beads in my mouth. Most of the personal situations were nightmares. He would take us to the Peridot Gallery which was then on, oh, deep in the Village. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think he could not relate to people. Already [inaudible] Cubism, and you can just take off from there. And my family, I mean my parents since I was a third daughter and I was probably loaded with both real love and real joy thought I was the most wonderful, gifted, complicated, hopeful creature in the world. I still lived at London Terrace but went there daily and that was my existence. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't know if Laboule was in that show or not. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Exactly, yes. I mean I was editor of the college paper, and an Eric Fromm star and a Kenneth Burke star and Stanley Hyman pal and Howard Nimrod, I mean I was adept in literature and poetry. I don't know, I'm getting too tired. MS. ROSE: It's just to say the mark you left on your paintings. I mean Paul really honored me and by that time it was a friendship, it wasn't a --. WebHelen Frankenthaler, (born December 12, 1928, New York, New York, U.S.died December 27, 2011, Darien, Connecticut), American Abstract Expressionist painter whose brilliantly [BREAK IN TAPE]. I mean he really changed my life. Didn't use his subject matter in the Surrealist sense. It also holds Frankenthalers copyright and provides images and information for publications as requested. Would you mind coming back to the house? She had a house up here, it was a shack really and four other students shared it. They're placed on different spots on the paper. She was a major contributor to the history of And for me, and I always say this, whether it's a Titian or a [Kenneth] Noland, the ones that come off work in that depth and the color perhaps it is divine and the thing that makes it work, but it is line color. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think I knew it that last year at Dalton. Availability: This item has been digitally reformatted. I had my own bathroom and a very small sink and on rainy days I would take my mother's nail polish, and in those days women wore that blood red, you know, different kinds of bloody red polish. MS. FRANKENTHALER: And I reviewed [Theodoros] Stamos's show at Betty Parsons [Gallery] and wrote a little column and also reshuffled her filing cabinet. Well, I have all the colors and all the tools and all the canvas but I like to - not for the sake of money or retentiveness - but I like to play with the possibilities of the limits I've made for myself. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, I don't know, maybe four or something. And it was as if I suddenly went to Lisbon and knew no Portuguese but had read enough and had a passionate interest in Lisbon and was eager to live there; I mean I wanted to live in this land, and I had to live there but I just didn't know the language. That is falt space on a flat surface. It had nothing to do with art at all. [Inaudible.] It was ironic that when we really did meet to confront each other that fall, late that fall, Thanksgiving, that many people thought that he and I had known each other very well before. But it really registered when I saw his studio and he unrolled his paintings on the floor that he had painted them on. And I was embarking on sort of discovering what I was about. And he was, he'd had the Lake show too, but then it got on a serious groove, and by then he'd have, I have the first announcement framed: Larry, Grace, Al, Goodnough and me, he had decided in December to have me to the first group show of all of us. And Grace had all these pictures that were going to Tibor's and she was riding high and powerful, I don't mean successfully but willfully. And I used to dwell on this until it was all I could take. What were your favorites and what did you see in them that you liked? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, there was so much mitha [?] And he really looked at Braque, Picasso, Gris. Benita Manry, who was a painter, a sort of realistic-looking expressionist out of Hofmann. I mean it's something one isn't aware of. And he was always terrified. I mean it doesn't fit this context. But, you know, at that time I didn't think that much about it. He had a tremendous appetite and always sent students during their non-resident term to [Hans] Hofmann or Wally Harrison. That was when I became very friendly with Grace and All and Harry and Friedl and had a real studio life there. And Ken was painting sort of traditional abstract rather heavy cuisine easel size pictures. I had half. Anne Poor was one of the girls in the school, Henry Varnum Poor's daughter. I had met him up here in Provincetown the summer of '57. And suddenly I kind of blind-spotted, called aura, which is the beginning of a migraine. MS. FRANKENTHALER: [Inaudible.]Yes. That is, if you look at the way [Paul] Cezanne makes an apple sit on a table, whatever is dark or light, or whatever shape it is, it is part of the painting. And I said I don't want to go any place where there are waiters, people, noise. And they knew I had been in the context of Clem [inaudible] and painted. But at the end of that winter a woman named Mrs. Cartier at the Seligmann Gallery, which still exists on 57th Street, called and said would I organize a show for Bennington graduates, not for fund raising but sort of to show how advanced Bennington work is. And I still have those someplace. And at that time I was just starting to part totally with subject matter. She was a severe alcoholic with an alcoholic boy friend. Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: Sound recording: 1 Sound tape reel, 7 in. It was in 1946. ], But generally, while I can recognize a master piece that is heavily painted or darkly painted or painted in layers as great and sublime, it would not be my choice to hang a [inaudible] for five years if I could instead perhaps have a Cezanne of the kind I just described. I did much of that but I use, say, surroundings to take off on a play of drawing. So that now when I think about it I'm never completely clear as to whether I remember it because he refreshed my memory or if it is that clear. Bob and I together played very well. In other words, I felt, for example, that Joan Mitchell was still involved in the cuisine of Cubism. Our site uses technology that is not supported by your browser, so it may not work correctly. I think because he interested Paul in relation to the weather thing. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I'll finish this line of paintings I looked at which interested me. Alison Rowley, Helen Frankenthaler: Painting History, Writing painting. And you said, what about this in relation to that? MS. ROSE: I wonder if you'd go back to it when you were a kid. But once it got down on the surface I would say in 99 times out of a 100, out of 101, nobody would come along and say how come you put shoes in a picture. Or for the world? Frankenthaler And I lived there, went to Hofmann, was a, I keep using this word "star" in everything all the time, but I was a favorite pupil of his and he liked me personally very much. Helen Frankenthaler in the Early 1950s, with Elizabeth Smith. MS. FRANKENTHALER: It would usually be art world gossip, and general banter, or what then for them might have been amusing, you know, Peggy Guggenheim, or Partisan Review matters, or the New York scene, Parsons [School of Design, Manhattan, New York]. There were a lot of people that had been awfully good students of over the years, many painters that were giving off stuff that was as good as most of the stuff in New York galleries, certainly not the avant-garde. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Cubism. MS. FRANKENTHALER: It might have been a peaceful place to sit down, or it was both landscape and man-made. We had a baseball game on. That was entrenched. MS. ROSE: Let's talk about that. MS. ROSE: Yeah. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, as he described it, we had been to visit the Pollocks in Springs and we were so moved and overcome by Jackson's work and genius and the pictures we'd seen that we vowed and made a sort of mutual promise that we ourselves in homage to his urge would work and be true and produce and transcend. I mean I think in many ways Jackson was a pain in the neck. MS. FRANKENTHALER: And the two of them, Al and Grace, both modeling to make a nickel at the Art Students League [of New York, Manhattan, New York]. MS. ROSE: Did you used to go around to shows and things? Anyway, the entire art and literary world of the New York avant-garde showed up for this Bennington show. I mean I worked on big pictures. MS. ROSE: [Laughter]How old were you? I had no first winter period because I started the winter after the non-resident term, I started college then. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, me I think it depends on who you are. MS. ROSE: Gottlieb must have a fantastic eye. But "light" can also imply simple, which is not a marvelous quality. It was fabulous. After moving to the National Capital Area, I focused on issues of management, operations and strategic development, principally for nonprofits. [Inaudible] I don't know, two blocks [inaudible]. MS. ROSE: When? And were very, very close girlfriends, picked each other up for school every day and had our own language and we'd spend hours taking off --. MS. ROSE: Both. I often find similarities between you. I mean you remember going? 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